You will get better accuracy and much better function with a mid-burn rate powder such as Unique, Universal, AA#5, or Power Pistol. SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER TO STAY UP ON THE LATEST. Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Then work up from there. LOL. I have been all over the internet looking for a good, sound load for my 9mm. I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). 9mm has a rather consistent 115gr OAL. She helps organize and coordinate Arizonas own national level event, the Tactical Precision Rifle Challenge. He volunteers as an alter sever at Mass on Sunday at church and is a member in the Civilian Airpatrol Program. A plated bullet (Berry's, Rainier Ballistics) falls between the two. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. ABOUT CHAD: Chad is a world champion elk caller and two-time Eastern US Elk Calling Champion. I use Titegroup in my sig p320. is 1.150" with Hornandy bullets. A lead bullet is a lead bullet as long as were talking a medium hardness. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. I have an old Lee maual, but it doesn't have any info on Titegroup. The desire to know, when, how, and if he should take these shots along with an unquenched thirst for competition, lead Brian to shoot precision rifle events. Close w/ TG can be problematic. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. A licensed Montana Professional Outfitter and Guide freelance writer, his articles and photographs have been featured in magazines including Outdoor Life, American Hunter, American Rifleman, Field and Stream. Speer says 4.5gr is max, Lyman say 4.5gr is max w/ 115gr bullets, so I am having a diff time digesting your data. MM thanks for that comment on the adjustable charge bar. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified". There simply isn't much load data for the super-heavy 9mm bullets. When you load this stuff, you better be focused on what you are doing, its not recommended for anyone that loads with many powders around, constantlys swapping powders. I use 4.5 gns with Federal primers loaded to an OAL of 1.130. I want to be safe. THR Group Project - PISTOL - Advanced Reloading Concepts and Discussions. Loading 9mm RN with Titegroup data horsegoalie Apr 24, 2013 H horsegoalie Rating - 100% 6 0 0 Joined Sep 18, 2012 Messages 284 Likes 27 Apr 24, 2013 #1/11 I am starting a load with some Berry's 115gr RN plated bullets and Titegroup. containers. I will be shooting mostly target at the range, 150-200 rounds per visit. We believe the 2nd Amendment is best defended through grass-roots organization, education, and advocacy centered around individual gun owners. JavaScript is disabled. He is also a noted TV personality, regularly appearing on TV programs Shooting USA. I'm a self confessed TG whore but 4.5 is a little warm for my liking I stay at the 4.3 range for a 115g FMJ. A forum community dedicated to Carolina firearm owners and enthusiasts. http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=9%20mm&Weight=115&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source, http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/dm&Weight=115&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=566352. He also placed second in the World Elk Calling competition. He retired from the North Kansas City Police Department after tours through Patrol Division and the K-9 Narcotics Unit, with additional duties as the Department Armorer, SRT Unit Sniper, and Range Officer/Instructor. Currently Jake has over 65 top three podium finishes in the last four years, another record! Former lead pilot of the Blue Angels John Foley has reached been in contact along with Remington Mcbee and several others. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. Load two according to the new data for the 124gr XTP has an OAL 1.140 with a power range of 3.6 to 4.1 grains that would make this unsafe. Recently, well, a few months back, I loaded a thousand of the X-Treme 124gr PRN for my neighbor. COAL are generally +/- 0.005" seated using Lee seating die. I don't pay so much attention to the bullet manufacturer when loading. Growing up, Brian spent very little time indoors, with his passions being split between baseball and spending time in either the river, the desert, or the mountains. The Lyman 44th Edition has data for Bullseye, Red Dot, Unique and Herco for 158 grain cast lead bullets . They are snappy, but fun to shoot. Brian Neace grew up in Southern Idaho in the Snake River Plain, surrounded by miles and miles of high desert to the north and bordered on the south by public wilderness. It's for practice, not for competition. Walkalong, that was my guess also, but there are other fast powders listed with 900fps and 950fps loads. She recently took on the role of Southwest Regional Director for the Precision Rifle Series. Be sure to enter theNES/MFS March Giveaway ***Taurus G3c***. I didn't think 4.5 grains was a max load either, because on the Titegroup container it says that for 115gr Speer GDHP max load is 4.8 gr. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. OAL is about 1.139 give or take. A lot of this powder fits in a case, over 10 grains, easily. Thanks for the input everyone! I try to use a longer than suggested OAL just help with pressures etc. ABOUT WALKER: Walker is 15 years old and has hunted from Africa to Hawaii, and several places in between, including the Yukon in Canada. Titegroup has it all low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. Started at 3.8 but it would not cycle my guns correctly so had to up it. It's for practice, not for competition. Todd is a competitive shooter and firearms instructor. For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov. Every match Ive been to that chronoshas the chrono set up at least 10 ft away. After starting a life and career in Tulsa, she pursued barrel racing until she found 3-Gun in 2009. Its makes your gun a somewhat heat machine. RN for about 10 years with excellent results in my Glocks and STI pistols. In Pistols and Revolvers.. So filling up half way looks normal. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested. I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight. Hodgdon Titegroup: Quest for the Perfect 9mm Hand Load Part 10 Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! TiteGroup is too fast burning to be a good universal powder. 124g berrys over 3.9g of titegroup 1.149 OAL. Used for my 9mm loads mostly. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. Posted by Donald H Nolen on Sep 26th 2022. Because it's a fast powder well suited to moderate-to-light recoil/PF loads, and because it is. Jan 30, 2011 (Edited) I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. Retired LEO/Rangemaster, Glock armorer, pistol instructor, Endowment NRA member. WARNING: If you are a newer reloader, you do not want to start out using this powder. December 31, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber. I am about to load my first rounds and need some data. and 8 lb. containers. Snake River PRS club has become his pride and joy with a dedication to growing the sport by recruiting and supporting new and youth shooters. Not cast, but I have 4k 124gr Barry's plated over 4.0gr. I didn't think I was moving that fast, I just didn't know that I couldn't use FMJ data for the Berry's bullets. My question is how much would you load into a 158gr bullet. Both Plated round nose and JHP. I dont remember my powder charger right off the top of my head. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. Seen a few of those over the years. Hodgdon on line data is a good place to look. ABOUT MARSHA: Marsha is the co-host of Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha and is a Licensed Montana Professional Guide. I like using this gun because I've heard HK tests it at 2x max pressure specs for the 9mm. She has since entered the Open division and has competed all over the country at numerous national level events, including the PRS Finale in 2018. and 8 lb. tysdad115 Rating - 100% 15 0 0 Joined It's great for light target loads in revolvers but generates way too much pressure for mid-range loads or pistol loads Some powders that work much better are Power Pistol, BE86, or even the old standby . It is very aggravating not be able to find a load data for the particular bullet you'd like to use. I think someone posted that very information just yesterday. What we load doesn't mean it will be safe for you. Reloading is a personal responsibility and you must start low and work up and NEVER ASSUME. Load at your own risk. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! I am using TiteGroup for 9mm, but I`m loading 124 gr. What's the difference between the Berry's plated bullets and FMJ? Im loading either 115gr or 125gr HP. 1.100" Starting Load Grains 3.9 Titegroup works very well for the load I am using on a wildcat. Nuff said. I saw that there, Rusty, but I need data for FMJ, not HP. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! Hailing from the Kansas City-area, Jaclyn is a rifle shooter specializing in precision rifle shooting. I've been shooting 4.0 grains of Titegroup with Berry's 124gr. It can be very dangerous because its so fast burning. Does it make a difference? I haven't shot any yet but it would be disappointing if I had to pull 150 bullets. I just loaded 1000 124 grain plated bullets with 4.2 grains of Titegroup. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. One is hard pressed to find a nicer person. Pasted as rich text. I don`t recall my OAL for either without looking in my load notebook. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. I used data for 115gr FMJ because I thought that's what the Berry's bullets were. There aint nothin like the smell of burnt gunpowder in the mornin. Better to be too careful than blow something up. Wish i could find it again. I got the adjustable charge bar for rifle loads and tried it out with titegroup and it did not work. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. Maximum loads from Sierra: 115 gn bullets: Titegroup - 3.6 gn - 1100 fps. LRN Manufacturer Hodgdon Powder Titegroup Bullet Diameter .356" C.O.L. I got the Titegroup on a recommendation. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. That will allow you to get a finer-tuned powder drop. Precision is making and looks forward to the future of creating the best professional custom rifles on the market. 6 grains? Its popularity soared after World War II, and the U.S. military adopted the 9x19mm as its service pistol round in 1985. 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum Ball-Type Handloads. I always set up my chrono at 10ft from the muzzle. They are calibrated at/for specified distances. Skip this one, you can do better. Notes: Chronograph figures are for five rounds taken with the start screen at approximately 6 feet. I usually use the data for lead bullets when i load plated ones. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DSbEZeGeToe2YIoHyMXMjO9Oyp_dvQEM7VJ3tqfdwg0/edit?usp=sharing. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Use the LRN and you will be good. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Save Share. Again, plated & FMJ are NOT the same, close but not the same. Its no wonder so many people love this powder for their economical loads, its cheap AND accurate. Today, it is a popular military and law enforcement handgun cartridge. Makes 900fps out of my G17. Used Titegroup and a variety of different weight and mfg bullets. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. /wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HODGDON_LOGO_DARK.png, https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/titegroup_1_lb.jpg. In my time I have worked on improving myself to take it as high as I can. Ryan still has a passion for hunting, but 3-gun gives Ryan and wife Dianna the opportunity to travel together and compete with and against amazing people. Zach started attending national shoots in 2018, including Junior Worlds, Junior Olympics Nationals, and USAYESS Nationals. Titegroup: 0.356" 1.100" 3 . The game hooked me, but I fell in love with the people! Since returning to competition on 2009, Dianna has earned a plethora of High Lady wins, including the 2013 and 2016 USPSA Ladies Open National Championship. Brian moved back to Idaho, where he completed his bachelors degree in Business Finance at Albertsons College of Idaho. With Hornady and Precision Delta 115gr FMJ best accuracy from my CZ75s is with 4.2-4.3 gr TG (~1100fps) Boris_La Posts: 85 Join date . Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. This is a new powder to me and I understand that it is a fast burn powder. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Accurate - Nitro 100 NF: 115 gr. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Jake travels the country shooting, directing precision rifle matches, and teaching precision rifle classes. I have spent a lot of time perusing through the 9mm Reloading section and it seems that most folks who are using 124gr FMJ & JHP bullets with Titegroup are loading their cases with 4.0gr to 4.2gr of powder. I have looked at the factroy specs but I was looking for some input on loads that others use. My brother gave me some Titegroup. We recommend upgrading your current browser or. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Titegroup 3.4grs 968 FPS G34 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 668 Scottsdale, AZ Posted January 28, 2018 Notes 2: 3.5grs Tite Group Distance to Chrono (FT): 5.00 Ballistic Coefficient: 0.212 Bullet Weight (gr): 147.00 Temp: N/A F BP: N/A inHg Altitude: 0.00 # FPS FT-LBS PF 10 957 298.99 140.68 9 947 292.77 139.21 8 959 300.24 140.97 For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In 2016, Phillip was nominated for Scout Sniper Instructor of the Year for his meticulous instruction that resulted in institutional changes in the training of Marine Scout Snipers in both formal schools and unit level training. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. Shoots well, functions well and it is light enough. For a newb, you are treading on very thin ice & IMO, haven't enough exp to determine if your load is "fine". In that time I have used it for both hunting and competition. All but 2-3 of those are with handloadedammo. Regina Milkovich has been the leading female in precision rifle shooting since she first picked up a rifle in 2009. 9 mm Luger - Published Manufacturer Loading Data. PF is between 130-135 depending on gun. During his time, Phillip completed 4 overseas deployments and served in all billets available to a Scout Sniper, to include Scout Sniper Team Leader, Chief Scout Sniper, and Scout Sniper Instructor. Does anyone have a link to somewhere with this info? I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. A devoted husband and father, Jake has formal degrees in sports medicine and youth ministry. Thanks guys. Can't keep enough at the house. I'll just try out 10-20 rds at min load and see how they go. Would the hp OAL be the same as that of the RN? Believe me, I'm not TRYING to stretch or bend any rules. The Wester #1 and Sierra #7 Manuals have 9mm +P data. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon and this year is scheduled to be as busy as any while shooting 4 different series. After serving his country, George spent 20 years serving his community as a police officer. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser settings before proceeding. I use tight group for 9mm. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. Brian spent three years in Spokane as a Zag until his baseball career was cut short by a tragic plane accident that took the lives of his parents and younger sister. 2.8 gr. Dianna Muller earned a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice/Psychology from University of Central Missouri and retired from the Tulsa Police Department after 22 years of service. Why? I am using CBI pistol powder. In cases like this 9mm I would use the start data for the next heavier slug if that was there. Your link has been automatically embedded. Hope this helps some others develop some loads. containers. You are using an out of date browser which is likely incompatible with our website. Nam Vet, TiteGroup burns too fast for 9mm. By 2011, she sold her farm and all of her horses to focus on 3-Gun and the 2nd Amendment. My M&P and G34 love the 115 and 124s, but the 147s won't group for crap in either gun with any load and I took it up to 3.9 which is pretty hot. All of them are asking their parents for shotshell presses now. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Looks like i will test some 4.0 and 4.2 as long as they stay below 1200. . #1 As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. This year my NRL Hunter has been with H-1000 and its incredible! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. BrianEnos.com It may not display this or other websites correctly. You accidentally load this into a rifle, or a larger pistol cartridge, its super dangerous. I wonder why the difference. Titegroup is a fantastic powder for 9mm and .45ACP. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. 3 grains? Zach, a resident of McCook, Nebraska, started shooting trap and hunting when he was 10. This is a flattened spherical powder. The more inexpensive "competition" powder. Ryan and Dianna continue to not only compete, but train and film all over the country. with 125 Gr Blue Bullets. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Berry's RN plated, 4.0gr Titegroup 1.143" OAL No issues running in STI Spartan, Glock 26,19,17 & 34 or my 9mm AR I put together with a NES YHM lower. JavaScript is disabled. Buy Sport Pistol or N320 instead. As an fyi, stay away from the 147gr berrys with titegroup. Some take the caution a little farther than needed but really nothing wrong with that. 1 - 4 of 4 Posts. FMJ in my XD-9 vel. Clear editor. Hmmm, I use the .40 cavity and get pretty consistent 4.5gn drops with Titegroup. All loads used Winchester Small Pistol primers. I have found it to be very accurate, and prefer it over my power pistol loads. She has been named as a co-host on Shooting Gallery on the Outdoor Channel. RCBS 9mm-125-RN-GC 123 TiteGroup 4.4 1045 129 . In addition, she is also an outdoor writer and photographer, as well as a national seminar speaker. I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by jell-dog, Mar 14, 2017. The .357 Sig handloads could have been loaded even hotter. I use titegroup for 9mm using the Lee charge disk on my turret press. Display as a link instead, All calculations were done by hand using formulas, please let me know if anything seems off. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. Nuts accurate. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. Upgrade efforts paused for now. With velocities at 1046 to 1119. Some flake powders have a wider range and they need it because they meter poorly. Upload or insert images from URL. I am now loading 4.1 grains TG with OAL of 1.135 to 1.140 inches. Todd is also a sought-after firearms instructor for military, law enforcement, and competitive shooters around the world. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. Obligatory start low and work your way up His proven expertise in firearm manipulation and shooting techniques has enhanced the skills of countless individuals and agencies. Keyboards and steering wheels bring out the absolute worst in people. Shooting steel plates or need to shoot fast? If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for aNES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over. (3.2-3.6g from the Hodgdon website). That's why when I figured out that my previous loads were unsafe I called Berry's to get correct info. Walker loves waterfowl hunting with his black lab Pow. Better like this than some of the disasters I've seen where someone basically takes a wild guess at something. Same load just use the coal from another powders load. It's accurate and reliable. This powder is very popular. I use 3.5g Titegroup under a 147g JHP. I have found charge weights that fall in the allowable range. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! Thank you for sharing Hodgdon Reloading data. Great powder, would recommend it to anyone shooting & reloading. I have the Hornady manual, but nothing about Titegroup in the manual for 9mm. and seated them to 1.150" as best as I recall. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. Quickly he was attending weekly, monthly, and annual shoots, which included Nebraska state, USAYESS, and many more. He was trained as an armorer in the US Army, where he spent six years as a Military Police Investigator. What type of a load are you attempting to develope? What is your favorite firearm to load for? And how are you metering 3.3gr? I load 115gr Berry's plated at 1.125" with 4.5gr of Titegroup.