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But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. Its heartbreaking, said Kate, who recalls last seeing Zachary the evening before he was killed. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. 1 Photo. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. And I said, `Who?' It will have its television premiere on MSNBC this fall following a theatrical release that is currently in negotiations and expected to be announced in the coming weeks. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. But their efforts to. Oh, my God. Shirley. Shirley. Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Walmart, DIGITAL Meeting her at 6. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. Cpl. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. We urge everyone to write your MP (if Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if not) urging them to support MP Andrews and his bill as it moves toward a vote in the near future. Understood? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. did. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Skewed imagery. How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. kind of panic sets in, I guess. murderer in check. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. We're churning. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. And if that picture never reveals itself, it feels like a letdown, not a tragedy. Why? I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Add a bio, trivia, and more. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. This abridged version was prepared personally by Kurt Kuenne in order to comply with CBC Newsworld's time constraints but preserve the film's impact while reaching a wider audience in Canada. Did. MORRISON: But then things changed. Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. Now, she sucked us in here, too. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. And we came back. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Ad Choices. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. KATE: I had a great childhood. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. substance to it. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. Then, suddenly, tears. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. The bill, if passed into law later this year, would justify detention in custody for those accused of a serious crime who are a potential danger to their own children under the age of 18. . Right, right. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. Then, upon. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. "We had to do something.. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). I can understand that. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. -, "A 10 out of 10. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. An abridged version of "Dear Zachary" will premiere on CBC Newsworld in Canada on Sunday, October 25th at 10 PM ET/PT. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' It also took 3rd place in the National Headliner Awards for Best Documentary of 2008, given by the Press Club of Atlantic City. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. So he came straight for me. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. The tragedy here is that even if you do see it coming, that still doesnt mean you can stop it. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. I couldn't see the point anymore. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. If. 2015 - 2020. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. ', KATE: He's so loved. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. to reconsider getting some help with that. They are selfless. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. And not just because its real. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. Blu-Ray | DVD, BLU-RAY It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Zachary, I love you, baby. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. The night was. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. You can, just--there's nothing. There were moments when something happened that had my heart beating so fast I became lightheaded and had to refocus myself. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. Serious crime is rare in this country. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Please consider joining us in this mission by becoming a member of the SaltWire Network and helping to make our communities better. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. Blood red screen. Its not the sort of true crime that leaves you wanting more. Click HERE for ticket information. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. She pushed it back in and cried some more. Far from experiencing the satisfaction of cracking a mystery, the viewer is likely to come away with a feeling of stymied sickness, of hitting the brick wall of a world gone wronga feeling which must be closer to the lived reality of violent tragedy. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss: The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. -. The documentary was originally released in 2008. granddad? They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. They were good friends; it was he who Bagby had told about the fatal meeting with Turner beforehand. That one comes back a lot. The film ends with the Bagbys and their relatives, friends, and colleagues reflecting on the father and son, as well as the . Help contribute to IMDb. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. We need each other, have each other to get through this, added David. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' I--we both did. Then, in August 2003, Shirley killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. There was plenty of turmoil in the industry, but many shows continued to nourish, illuminate, and delight. In that time, it becomes clear that, thankfully, baby Zachary has his fathers penchant for emotional maturity and gravitates not towards his mother, but to his grandmother. The International Film Music Critics also nominated his musical score for Best Documentary Score of 2008. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. What if she is backed in a. corner? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. We. It has been our privilege to have the trust and support of our East Coast communities for the last 200 years. Office Manager. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. People in the audience were literally weeping during the post-screening Q&A." MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. David and Kate Bagby channeled their grief & anguish into changing some Canadian laws. Had the case played out in the U.S. court system, they believe Zachary would still be with them. In mid-December, the Bagbys talked to The Western Star about the rerelease of the documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, by Kurt Kuenne. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. He said, `The psychotic bitch. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. But of course I didn't. They are warm. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. | Learn more about Tessa Bagby's work experience, education . So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. Which is to say, the woman who killed Dr. Andrew Bagby is pregnant with Dr. Andrew Bagbys baby. We don't--we don't gush very much. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. Dance with the Devil is David Bagby's . I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. Oh, my. We. I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. They're like, `What do you mean?' Our 100 journalists strive to inform and improve our East Coast communities by delivering impartial, high-impact, local journalism that provokes thought and action. So I gave her the. Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). I had a job I loved. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. Senior Writer and Project Manager. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. Curated newsletters for curious minds. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. This movie is the kind of nightmare no one could dream up. What a flaky person. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. Shortly after his death, she fled to Canada and settled back in St. Johns. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Was it a tight bond? Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. And that was midafternoon. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. Sometimes, if you are paying attentionclose attentionyou can see it coming, even if only barely. Imagine it. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one.